As part of this site upgrade, are the forums finally going to be upgraded as well? We've been hearing rumors of upgrading from FuseTalk to vBulletin for almost a year now...
I had the E1200 in March of 2008 on my X48 board for a month or two while I waited for the Q9450's to come out. The e1200 (1.6GHz) chip overclocked like mad to 3200MHz without complaint the entire time I owned it. I think I paid like $39 for my chip and even with the low 512 cache, this is one speedy chip, especially overclocked.
I prefer the reliability of an Intel chipset today. My previous CPU was an Atlon64 3200 before the Core 2 chips. Today it's a 4GHz 920 i7 on eVGA Classified. Still, these little dual core Celeron's go a long way toward clearing the Celeron family name. Yes there are better chips but the point being these CPU's are not to be feared like some of the Celerons of the past.
It isn't strange; it's development. OSX is aging--still robust nonetheless--but not written to the same priorities as Windows. Just look at how long it took MS to put together something with speed, stability, AND security (and a gi-normous driver cache that'll put old hard drives to shame). Apple is Apple; you take their narrow path or you don't.
And I'd be careful how I say that on performance; Windows could run circles around Mac OS in completing tasks, but don't count on those idle cycles to save your battery the same as Mac would. For the record, I'm a PC fan.
I actually really like the site layout as it is right now. But for the love of all that is site design do NOT follow X-bit labs in their horrible choice to pull the featured article *out* of the latest article list making that list jump around at random.
As a cross-platform benchmarks you can try encoding with Handbrake, is multiplatform and you can set the number of threads.
And for the GPU there are some games that are available for Mac and Windows to compare.
Some questions abount the Mac Pro:
It has no fans? is it silent? temperature?
SLI or CrossFire works as it should with OSX or is just for adding more monitors?
I don't see the business sense in ramping up the old chips. Most bargainers buy the baseline and punch a mad OC or go AMD. It's hard to believe that after more than a year there's still Conroe at the fab, but you industry folk can probably cite 20 better examples.
Right now I'm on a friend's dialup connection, and with firefox+flashblock, the current site is quite manageable at 5K/s. It'd be generous of AT to take a page from Slashdot's book and include a low-bandwidth alternative to accommodate those with dialup, smartphones on GPRS/EDGE, and the like. Regardless, a more accessible layout is greatly welcomed, and the reviews are top-notch. Looking forward to P55.
I would love to see power saving features in video cards, but I don't think there is much, if anything out, there. Even though they increasingly use a lot of watts.
If there IS anything, I would love to hear about it.
Some tests on Bench have "lower is better" and some "higher is better" and it's difficult to see at a glance which is which.
I can see one of two solutions. First is to colour them differently (border, background, bars, whatever). Second is to mark the "better" bar such that you always know which is the better.
It would be nice to have some power consumption numbers if you're going to be doing a write up of this CPU.
Also, it has been said many times . . . how about some low power desktop system articles ? This is n0t even about being green, this is about being completely off grid, and wanting to have a reasonable desktop system that does not suck the battery bank dry in 5 minutes ; )
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ultimatebob - Sunday, July 19, 2009 - link
As part of this site upgrade, are the forums finally going to be upgraded as well? We've been hearing rumors of upgrading from FuseTalk to vBulletin for almost a year now...William Gaatjes - Sunday, July 19, 2009 - link
Your site is fantastic as it is: Simple , intuitive in navigation and inviting.Since Tom's hardware Modernised their site it went down the drain.
Since Arstechnica modernised their site it went down the drain.
Please, do not make it a flash heaven. Or a website that is less instructive.
MHz Tweaker - Friday, July 17, 2009 - link
I had the E1200 in March of 2008 on my X48 board for a month or two while I waited for the Q9450's to come out. The e1200 (1.6GHz) chip overclocked like mad to 3200MHz without complaint the entire time I owned it. I think I paid like $39 for my chip and even with the low 512 cache, this is one speedy chip, especially overclocked.I prefer the reliability of an Intel chipset today. My previous CPU was an Atlon64 3200 before the Core 2 chips. Today it's a 4GHz 920 i7 on eVGA Classified. Still, these little dual core Celeron's go a long way toward clearing the Celeron family name. Yes there are better chips but the point being these CPU's are not to be feared like some of the Celerons of the past.
jap0nes - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
Is it strange that Windows performs better than Mac OS? Why?You're looking for benchmarks that show better performance on mac os then?
larson0699 - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
It isn't strange; it's development. OSX is aging--still robust nonetheless--but not written to the same priorities as Windows. Just look at how long it took MS to put together something with speed, stability, AND security (and a gi-normous driver cache that'll put old hard drives to shame). Apple is Apple; you take their narrow path or you don't.And I'd be careful how I say that on performance; Windows could run circles around Mac OS in completing tasks, but don't count on those idle cycles to save your battery the same as Mac would. For the record, I'm a PC fan.
vailr - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
The (2.5 GHz, 45nm, 2 Mb cache) E5200 CPU looks to be a much better processor choice for only $10 more:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Both are rated at 65W.
ilkhan - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
I actually really like the site layout as it is right now. But for the love of all that is site design do NOT follow X-bit labs in their horrible choice to pull the featured article *out* of the latest article list making that list jump around at random.dastruch - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
Give us a review of the 2nd gen Intel "Postville" SSDs, Anand. These drives are already listed in several sites in Europe:http://geizhals.at/eu/?fs=postville">http://geizhals.at/eu/?fs=postville
fmaste - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
As a cross-platform benchmarks you can try encoding with Handbrake, is multiplatform and you can set the number of threads.And for the GPU there are some games that are available for Mac and Windows to compare.
Some questions abount the Mac Pro:
It has no fans? is it silent? temperature?
SLI or CrossFire works as it should with OSX or is just for adding more monitors?
virvan - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
hey, where are the promised Athlon XP's in the Bench? :)James5mith - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
Anand,Can't wait to see the new site redesign. Keep up the great work, and I'll keep on being a loyal reader.
larson0699 - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
I don't see the business sense in ramping up the old chips. Most bargainers buy the baseline and punch a mad OC or go AMD. It's hard to believe that after more than a year there's still Conroe at the fab, but you industry folk can probably cite 20 better examples.Right now I'm on a friend's dialup connection, and with firefox+flashblock, the current site is quite manageable at 5K/s. It'd be generous of AT to take a page from Slashdot's book and include a low-bandwidth alternative to accommodate those with dialup, smartphones on GPRS/EDGE, and the like. Regardless, a more accessible layout is greatly welcomed, and the reviews are top-notch. Looking forward to P55.
larson0699 - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
More than a year at 45nm is what I meant ;)DeniseMTorontoOnt - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
I would love to see power saving features in video cards, but I don't think there is much, if anything out, there. Even though they increasingly use a lot of watts.If there IS anything, I would love to hear about it.
Calin - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
Hybrid SLI was the best power saving feature I've heard ofET - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
Some tests on Bench have "lower is better" and some "higher is better" and it's difficult to see at a glance which is which.I can see one of two solutions. First is to colour them differently (border, background, bars, whatever). Second is to mark the "better" bar such that you always know which is the better.
yyrkoon - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
It would be nice to have some power consumption numbers if you're going to be doing a write up of this CPU.Also, it has been said many times . . . how about some low power desktop system articles ? This is n0t even about being green, this is about being completely off grid, and wanting to have a reasonable desktop system that does not suck the battery bank dry in 5 minutes ; )
FlameDeer - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link
Small cache size of Celeron E1500 (with 512KB L2 cache just like a single core Atom) really limiting its performance.But I think E1500 would be able overclock quite nice.
Thank you for this latest update, Anand. Take care.